In this Abeceder Quotation Conversation Noah Healy of Coordisc, and Michael Millward discuss a quotation from Alan Purlis, a computer scientist who was the first recipient of the Turing Award who was best known for his pioneering work in programming languages.Michael and Noah, discuss how computers help and hinder change happen, and the important role that joined up thinking, that incorporates people and technology, plays in making sure that change programmes are successful.